Clarkson and the soldiers

6:15 pm General, Peter

I was reading this article recently, and it got me thinking.

First of all, it got me thinking that the guy in the photo at the top of the article looks as though his face has been ‘photoshopped’ on, but I don’t know why that would be the case. Perhaps he’s a really effective special forces type, and needs to disguise his identity so that terrorists don’t come and assassinate him. That would be a bit of a bummer for the guy whose face they used to cover him up though. The poor bloke would be wandering around the shops one day, and BANG… they’d have got him. Before that though, it might be kind of cool. People (who had seen the article) would always be coming up to him and asking him what it was like being a soldier and things like that, and he’d have to just say “oh, it’s nothing, really”, so that he didn’t give away any secret information, like the fact that he’s actually not a soldier at all.

Anyway, once I’d finished thinking about that (it took a while, actually), I got thinking about a conversation I’d had recently about whether war was ever justified, and if so, how ‘much’.

I know that there are loads of wars in the Old Testament, and that God seems to be quite pleased when His people fight various other nations that aren’t doing what He wants them to. I’m never quite certain whether He’d told them specifically that He wasn’t happy with their actions, or whether they were just supposed to get the message when all those Jewish people started chucking spears at them. If someone threw a spear at me, I think that I’d deduce fairly quickly that they weren’t too fond of me.

Then in the New Testament, Jesus says that he’s fulfilled the law (that the Old Testament revolves around), and then most of the things he teaches about are to do with being peaceful, and gentle, and things like that. I’d say that it’s fairly hard to be gentle when you’re shoving a sword into someone, but perhaps if you’re aiming at them with a rifle from a distance, you could say nice things about them while you pull the trigger.

In any case, there are fairly horrible things happening around the world most of the time, often involving people who are fairly determined to kill, maim, or otherwise negatively affect the people around them. As 21st century Western Christians we’re usually told to pray for the situation, and we (I?) tend to just offer up a couple of mumbled phrases which usually involve asking God to ‘intervene’ or ‘let His will be done’. Once I’ve ‘discharged my responsibility’ in this way, I move on to the really important things happening, like working out what I want for dinner, or finding a certain song on iTunes.

Obviously if I’m not actually in the same area as the horrible violence I can’t do anything about it, other than to pray that God would stop it somehow. But what if I was?

What if I saw a person beating a helpless child, and couldn’t restrain them, so had to punch them, and they ended up badly hurt?

Would that be Christlike?

What if I was standing around, and suddenly a whole group of people started attacking another group of people right in front of me? And what if I had a weapon of some sort, and (after yelling, and trying to verbally convince them, but failing) was actually able to use it to injure the ‘aggressors’, so that they would have to stop their attack?

Would that be Christlike?

If we pray that genocide in Africa would end, what if the way that God answered that prayer was to send in an army of ‘peacekeepers’, who ended up fighting with, and killing many of the people who had committed the genocide? Would we prefer that none of the peacekeepers were Christians, so that they wouldn’t have to break any of Jesus’ commands, but that the result would be the same anyway?

Should a Christian person join the military, knowing that (either directly, or indirectly) they might potentially be involved in the deaths of other people?

If a person in the military needs to find out information from a person on the opposing side, and that the information might potentially save hundreds of lives, would it justified to harm the prisoner in any way to find that information out? Would it be worse for one person to be harmed to save a much larger group, or to sit back and pretend it wasn’t happening?

Basically, I haven’t made my mind up about all of this. I tend to drift from one end of the ‘pacifism spectrum’ to the other, often propelled by events that have occurred around me. I know that Jesus told Peter to put his sword away when he tried stopping his arrest in Gethsemene, but that was specifically related to Jesus’ mission and the cross. What if saving your own life isn’t your motivation, but saving the life of an innocent? Or (because of ‘original sin’, or anything else) is no one ever innocent, and therefore, no one is ever worth fighting to save?

5 Responses
  1. Fi :

    Date: January 27, 2008 @ 8:00 pm

    This is something I have thought about too, but not enough to have come to any conclusions… I hope others can comment more insightful things then myself. I know we have a role to be a voice for those who are voiceless, the oppressed, widows,etc… so to speak up for them and to defend their cause… though I know that I am not the one who is meant to inflict judgement on those oppressing them, that I am to trust God to do this… so I guess my next thought is what does speaking up look like? or perhaps more….what does defending look like? so I guess one principle might be wanting to act out of defending and loving and caring for the most vulnerable and not out of judging and inflicting punishment on the perpertrator….

  2. Pete :

    Date: January 28, 2008 @ 2:33 am

    What I was trying to get at though, is that we always say that it’s not our place to act as God’s judgement on the oppressors etc, but what if it is (in certain cases)?

    It’s rare that we see God fighting on behalf of an army with angels and swords of fire, so we might assume that He uses different methods at times, that in theory might involve human armies, or even individual Christians?

    Or not.

  3. Dicker :

    Date: January 29, 2008 @ 8:52 am

    That’s some heavy thinking…
    There are some big ideas floating through that blog, like God’s sovereignty and how he uses people to accomplish his purposes or send judgement…
    I think the issue of war or how justice is administered is often never clear cut…
    I think war always bad but… sometimes right and necessary.
    The tough part is deciding when is it right?

    I’ve got somemore thoughts on this, but I might put them in a blog…

  4. Nathan :

    Date: January 29, 2008 @ 9:23 pm

    Dicker, I like where you’re going and looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on this issue. My own feeling is that there are just wars, the difficulty is as you observe, determining just which wars are just.

    Picking up on your comment Pete, Romans 13 suggests itself to me as a key passage in the discussion, as it clearly states God’s establishment of governing authorities and their sanction to restrain and punish evil as a dimension of his own judgment:

    “For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer” (v3-4).

    It seems from these verses that governing authorities who “bear the sword” are servants of God who provisionally, though imperfectly, reflect his judgment on evil.

    Having said that, I am reminded of Jesus’ radical commands in his sermon on the mount: “Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” (Matt 5:39). But here he is addressing individuals, not governments.

    Can we then conclude that an individual’s primary response to evil ought to be to turn the other cheek, whereas governments have God-given responsibility to execute appropriate punishment for evil?

  5. Dicker :

    Date: January 30, 2008 @ 8:17 am

    Yep, there’s lots to consider…
    Nathan, you said…

    “Can we then conclude that an individual’s primary response to evil ought to be to turn the other cheek, whereas governments have God-given responsibility to execute appropriate punishment for evil?”

    Romans 12:17-21 has more to say on the personal response to evil, or rather, a persons response to evil against them

    “Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary:
    “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
    if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
    In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

    It seems to me that when someone wrongs you, the primary response is to turn the other cheek (though I don’t think this means leaving the proper govt authorities out of the matter). It seems to suggest that a revenge attack is not the appropriate response, and this is what I think Jesus is getting at on the Sermon on the Mount.
    However, if you were to see another person in need - being attacked, picked on, beaten up etc…- I think the Bible supports a “defend the defensless” approach. God is described as one who defends the fatherless and the widow (deut. 10:18) and the Israelites are supposed to do the same within their own community. Where possible, I think this needs to be enforced through the appropriate govt channels, and always with wisdom and care, and never with anger. Jesus intervening in the stoning of the adulteress (john 8 ) might be an example of diffusing a situation with wise words and a cool head…

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